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Player: United  Smaug Subject: Simultaneous equations


2008-12-26 00:57:17
How do you solve a pair of simultaneous equations in mod 26? Eg. 7 = 20a+b mod26 11 = 18a+b mod26-
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1Portugal  viriol2008-12-26 06:36:02
What is mod? :P-

2International  cc12418155002008-12-26 09:30:43
I was a mod,in the 60\'s-

3Germany  RealChosenOne2008-12-26 11:34:44
@Smaug You have two possibilities: Either you solve it in the same way as a linear system of equations in every topological space (Use Gauß\'s algorithm and determine the solutions in your space.), but you have to keep track of the matrix operations and check, if they eliminate possible solutions. Or you transform it in the space \\IR and solve it as usual with Gauß\'s algorithm and transform the solutions back in your mod-space.-

4United  Smaug2008-12-26 11:43:53
Umm... I\'m not that good at maths, I\'ve no idea what Gauss\'s algorithm is... Isn\'t there a simpler way? If I subtract I get 2a = -4 mod 26 = 22 mod 26, so a = 11 mod 13, but I don\'t know if i can substitute a mod13 result into a mod26 equation...-

5Germany  RealChosenOne2008-12-26 15:07:00
You cannot put a mod 13 directly into the equation. You have to tranform it to mod 26 first, which in this case yields to a_1 = 0+ 11 mod 26 = 11 mod 26 and a_2 = 13 + 11 mod 26 = 24 mod 26. Now you put in a_1 and a_2 and get the solutions b_1 and b_2 respectively.-

6Germany  RealChosenOne2008-12-26 15:10:23
By the way, what you have done is a simple version of Gauß\'s algorithm, but never mind, if you don\'t know it, you won\'t need it. The way you are handling this (subtracting and substituting) works perfectly, too.-

7United  Smaug2008-12-26 23:51:53
Oh, right. Thanks!-

8United  Smaug2008-12-26 23:56:24
Then 7 = 20a+b mod26, substituting in a=11 I get b = 7 - 220 mod26 = -213 mod26 so my simplest solution is a=11, b = 21 ?-

9Germany  RealChosenOne2008-12-27 11:38:44
The first pair of solutions should be correct, but you have also to put in a_2 from which you get another pair of solutions. In this system of equations you have two pairs of solutions. You cannot simply drop one.-

10United  Smaug2008-12-28 00:26:10
Oh, OK. Thanks!-

11United  Smaug2008-12-28 11:14:02
It\'s not homework! It\'s for cracking the affine shift cipher.-

12United  Smaug2008-12-28 11:15:08
I\'m very interested in that kind of thing - http://www.cipher.maths.soton.ac.uk/ has some interesting ones.-

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